HOW did we get here?
Second from bottom in the Championship and ninth from bottom of League One.
Many have said it recently and it’s hard to argue against the fed-up fans who insist that Sheffield’s football teams are at an all-time low.
There are those that will remind us that they were once together in the old third division and that the fourth division has seen the red and white of United in its time.
But was the fall in fortunes of the two ever as depressing as it is now?
With two sent off for United in their 3-0 defeat at Watford olast week and rumours of confrontations at half-time in the changing rooms at Hillsborough in the 4-1 battering by Peterborough on Wednesday night, the clubs seem to be heading only one way.
Despite having two new-ish managers in charge neither club is able to punch its weight.
Money is a problem, but so it is everywhere.
Loan players coming in and not really upping the standard of the squads is also seen as an issue, but most teams outside the Premier League live on loans, some prosper, others don’t.
Fans point to a lack of confidence and belief within their teams.
Micky Adams has confirmed that he has thought of walking away from Bramall Lane. Gary Megson talked of the ‘almighty bust-up’ in the dressing room at Hillsborough on Tuesday night.
How often do managers come out within public and say things like Gary Megson did: “We’ve got people out there who are not working hard enough, they’re not honest enough. It’s just not acceptable in this profession, not acceptable in this club.”
Both men are lifelong fans of their clubs, both want more than anything to turn them around and bring real success.
But both are struggling to achieve.
All of this has happened before in history and in living memory but it’s doubtful the fans have ever felt quite as disheartened as they do now.