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Fines blow for drivers at tramgate



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Published Date:
22 May 2008
DRIVERS who have been fined for driving through Hillsborough tramgates may not get their cash back - despite a watchdog ruling that the signs broke the rules.
Bosses at Sheffield Council are pouring cold water on the hopes of those who have already have been fined and were hoping they would be reimbursed.

Thousands of drivers have been snapped since the cameras at Hillborough Corner became operational,
with each being fined £60, reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days.

But the National Parking Appeals Service (NPAS) has ruled the signs at the tramgate don't conform with regulations and the council shouldn't collect any more fines until they are altered.

Now drivers who have already paid up are calling for their money to be paid back.

David Curtis, interim executive director of development, environment and leisure, indicated the council was not prepared to start writing any cheques soon.

He said: "I am not a lawyer but I understand if you are outside the period in which you can appeal then that is the end of it. It only applies if you have appealed."

But the authority's reluctance to cough up may be tested in the courts.
Paul Bangert, the 43-year-old from Wisewood, who brought the action to the NPAS and won, said he will go to court to get his money back if necessary.

Paul, of Studfield Road, claimed he was told by a council lawyer that if he had already paid a fine, it was "tough."

He said: "I asked them before the appeal hearing when I could get my money back. They said 'Tough, you can't have it back.' They said it was my fault for having paid it in the first place. But I am not stopping here. I am looking at taking legal action in court. They are taking money off people willy-nilly. By law they should pay it back."

All fines collected at the tramgates in the run-up to the appeal were set aside - in case they had to be paid back.

Council chiefs say it will be at least two weeks before the busgate is back up and running. And they are crossing their fingers in the hope the situation at Hillborough Corner doesn't revert back to the huge snarl-ups seen before enforcement.

Mr Curtis admitted the council didn't know what would happen in the interim while enforcement is lifted.

"The busgate is not illegal," he said. "What they are saying is that there should be markings on the road. We don't want to encourage people to go through the gates and then have a problem later. We are not going to be fining people but those who drive through will still be committing an offence. The police still have the authority to stop people."

Highways chiefs are now discussing what road markings are appropriate.

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Dan Lyons,

Stocksbridge 22/05/2008 13:56:03
The tramgate signs have been clearly visible for many years. The drivers who have gone to all the trouble of appealing are nothing more than self-centred freeloaders, exploiting a technical loophole to take advantage of the rest of us who obey the tramgates for the greater good of everyone.
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A&S,

Wisewood, Sheffield 22/05/2008 14:08:53
We are referring to the enforcement of the penalty fines that were only implemented last June/July and the area where the bus lane is situated (a few yards along Middlewood rd). This isnt exactly many years is it?? The signage (however wrong) appeared at the same time.

The signage also does not follow DFT guidelines and effectively breaks the law, meaning that it cannot be enforced. The council knew this before enforcement, but charged anyway. Is this right do you think?

Also, the Council now are considering, reluctantly to remedy the situation by putting in the correct road markings that should have been used by law, but wasnt because there isnt room. Even if they do this now, they will still be breaking the law, because the road isnt big enough.

The right thing to do here is scrap the whole idea and pay every penny back to the people.Councilor Brian Hodge said on radio and in the Sheffield Star that all the money collected from Hillsborough Corner has been put aside in case this needs to be paid back. Paying up is the honorable and right thing to do.
Something similar happened at the Wicker if you remember with the wrong signage being put up and had to be changed.

This isnt the first time people have been conned and I bet it wont be the last. Law is law.

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Dan Lyons,

Stocksbridge 22/05/2008 19:33:52
I am referring, as you probably know, to the fact that there has been a tramgate at Hillsborough Corner for many years. It is ridiculous that the City Council has failed to fine people for ignoring tram gate for many years. But the fact remains that the tram gate has been clearly visible for many years and anyone with consideration for others would normally comply with it, or at the very least take it on the chin if they were recently caught out and fined.
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Cccc,

Hillsborough 23/05/2008 08:46:19
'And they are crossing their fingers in the hope the situation at Hillborough Corner doesn't revert back to the huge snarl-ups seen before enforcement.'

Who in their right mind can say enforcement has improved snarl ups. All it has done is moved and amplified the problem of congestion. It is now simply moved to Holme Lane, Bradfield Road and Walkley Lane and Penistone Road. Travel times, travel distance and therefore pollution have all increased and the traffic has been diverted past schools and down narrow roads. Hardly in keeping with the councils Cleaner, Greener, Safer moto! Im sure some idiot will say use the tram or bus but the fact is many peoples entire lifes do not take place on the tram line or bus routes so a car is still needed.
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Nadinho,

Sheffield 24/05/2008 15:47:37
tut, tut, tut!
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